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is in, best both ses sort things by caving in. on everything from higher taxes r t rich, that is fine. higher investment related taxes onveryone, have at it. more stimulus, why not why this folding like a cheap suit now? maybe because the financial suits figure to go along so just getlong. i think at electns have consequences, i did not think th wall street so quickly selling its financial soul was one of it in other words, if you hateomeone, stick with it! that's all i'maying, charlie gasparino, liberal columnnist, -- he goes by progressive. rick you thinker. unger is here with us, and charley you first, you called it you saw it but a leap of skill on your part to conclude these3 guys are dise dis disingenuous . >> you are talking about all my sources,. neil: but you were spot on. >> deputy to llary clinton, former morgan stanley executives trying to be obama's chief of staff. and tom knight has been making the rounds on wall street having dinners with various wall street streetictives. -- executives. and he setting the stage for an interesting wall street embrace of the president. y
calls, e-mail, and tweets. after that, a look at the estate tax which is set to go up at the end of the year unless congress and the white house act. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] senior republican aides are contemplating a fallback plan for the so called "fiscal cliff", which includes extending tax cuts for the middle class and resuming a fight over spending and taxes for the wealthy later. meanwhile, going overseas, nato makes a move on the turkish border with syria. military officials deny preparations for military intervention. protesters in egypt march on the palace as mohamed morsi flees. international and domestic news is all on the table for you this morning as we open up the phone lines. also, send us a tweet. or post your comment on facebook. or send us an e-mail. we will get back to that new york times story. first, some other headlines on the domestic front. here is the "washington times." also, sticking with the senate, the baltimore sun reporting this headline -- in politics, here is
of january's big tax hikes, companies and investors are cashing out, including one of president obama's biggest supporters. plus as susan rice makes the rounds on capitol hill, we will look at what could make up the national security team in president obama's second term. >> i am ready and willing and able and excited to go ahead and get this issue resolved in a bipartisan fashion so american families, american businesses have some certainty going into next year. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it, and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> welcome to the journal editorial report. i'm paul. not exactly a meeting of the minds this week between president obama and house speaker john boehner on just where talks to end the fiscal showdown stand. the president, for his part, took his case to the public and repeated his call for a tax hike on upper income americans but made little mention of cuts to entitlement s
. the prize is aahalf billion dollars, how do you feel about paying a 50% tax the moment you buy the ticket and if you win giving another third to the feds. still want to stand in line, your odds 1 in 175 million. the president or should we say campaigner in chief, he'll be on the road and the union campaigns, and the message no entitlement reform in any fiscal cliff deal. and more, ollie north on record gun sales, mike reagan on california and isaacs on warren buffett. here we go. "varney & company" is about to begin. looking for a better place to put your cash? here's one you may not he thght of -- fidelity. now you don't have to go a bank get the things you want from a bank, like no-fee atms all over the world. free checkwriting and mobile deposits. now depositing a check is easy as taking a picture. free online bill payments. a highly acclaimed credit card with 2% cash back into your fidelity account. open a fidelity cash management account day and discover another reason >> wednesday, november 28th a bombshell report from forbes this morning, 11 states are in a death spiral. don't bu
>> you know, we should be playing the baeleatles, tax man take a walk and i'll tax your feet. welcome to tax eeerything america. good morning, everyone. income, dividend, interest, deductions, all financial transactions, granny's new hip, your mortgage interest. as we start the week it's all about raising taxes not cutting spending. tax everything. but there are rich people who will avoid the obama tax increases the board of directors at costco will get a huge tax windfall by paying themselves a big dividend this year. and jim senegal, charlie monger, bill gates' father all on the board in favor of taxing the rich, really? and the debate on guns front and center. that murder-suicide involving the kansas city linebacker brings on the call for gun control and the possibility of head injuries in football and drugs and alcohol. all right, everybody, monday morning, "varney & company" about to begin. [ male announcer ] this is steve. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba ding the great rrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the marke he goes with people he trus,
the details of the president's opening gambit in the fiscal cliff talk. he wants a $1.6rillion tax increase, 50 billion and stimulus spending. and the white house has the ability to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. a very big deal for folks there. today, the president is out there, trying to drum up support among the public. not in washington or with congress or the senate. here is what he had to say. >> it is not acceptable to me, and i do not think it is acceptable to you for a handful of republicans in congress will middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks go up. gerri: it sounds like the same old, same old. the president has been making the sa comments again. is this any way to sell a plan? >> there really is not. the president is not being serious about this. the fact that the president is out there campaigning on this rather than negotiating, it means that those that are negotiating, such as secretary geithner, they probably don't feel bound by what the president is saying. th is the fit gammons and certainly no
their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next wreer. right now, as we speak, congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. gerri: there's the president calling out congress. what do you have to say, congressman? >> yeah, here we go in the middle of this. the house passed all our tax things in april. we passed the sequestering documents in may. we waited for the senate since may to reciprocate on that. the senate and white house sat on it, and they said we'll see you in the lame duck period. now it's lame duck, and now they want to get started when we finished or work in may on it. it's been frustrating in the process. it's the same song, 38th verse on it, waiting for the senate to get it going. now we're actually going, and the president now says you can clear the table on this. the reality is this is not a tax issue. it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 that we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now than we did five years ago. this is a spending issue. ge
, accelerating all three quarters into one lump sum this calendar year before the proposed tax hikes would kick in for shareholders. that will be a total of 18 cents per share. again, their fiscal second, third and fourth quarter dividends that would have been all been paid in calendar 2013 will be paid out on december 21st. the next opportunity for the board to consider and approve a dividend will be after the earnings results for the fist quarter disturb first quarter, and that will be on august be 1st -- 31st. again, they're going to fast forward three quarters' worth of dividends, pay them out to shareholders now against possible higher dividend taxes in the new year. >> very interesting. david: it's taken at least three-quarters of a year e and putting it into this year. let me go to mark sebastian again. you have telegraphed that a lot of this thing was going to happen, but there's one stock that you very tantalizingly suggest may be about to do the same, and that is apple. tell us about what you've heard that apple might be dealing with dividends this way. >> absolutely. well, you know,
on before the new year would raise nearly $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue including raising the top two marginal rates, ask for $50 billion in stimulus spending and a permanent end of congress' ability to prevent debt ceiling increases and nonspecified cuts to entitlement spending. phase two more friendly to republican interests calling for $400 billion in unspecified cuts to entitlement programs with no guarantees. the chances of this plan making it through congress may be lower than the chance of winning the botterball lottery jackpot. surprising no one, republicans acted with vague horror. mcmcconnell said he burst into laughter in front of geithner. an aide told nbc news it is a complete break from reality and orrin hatch told buzz feed, i don't think anybody will agree to that and john cornyn added, i don't think he's serious. the white house aims to negotiate down from the opening salvo to a happy immediate yum. it is a bold offier or "the huffington post" wrote -- who is this president and what have you done with barack obama? speaking of who, president obama is about to make ano
boehner told the president to leave the tax cuts for the rich alone. the president says he doesn't want to do that. he's going to stick with his plan to raise $1.6 billion in revenue and if republicans have something better they should be specific now. eric cantor said republicans are already going further than they did in the same spot in 2010. >> we have done our part. we have put revenues on the table, something we didn't do two years ago during the debt ceiling negotiations. >> we've seen some positive developments in the last several weeks, in terms of what republicans have been saying about the need for revenue as part of a balanced package. the president will continue to make the case that that is essential. >> reporter: so both sides saying revenue is on the table, now the fight is obviously to figure out where it's going to come from, how the government is going to make more money. democrats want it to come from increased tax rates on the rich, republicans would prefer to make that extra money by reforming the tax code and entitlements. bill: how is the president trying to rall
's big tax hikes, companies and investors are cashing out. including one of president obama's biggest supporters. plus, as susan rice makes the rounds on capitol hill, we'll look at who could make up the national security team in president obama's second term. ♪ >> i am ready and able and willing and excited to go ahead and get this issue resolved in a bipartisan fashion so that american families, american businesses, have some certainty going into next year. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and i'm disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. the fiscal cliff is a serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> welcome tt colonel, editorial report, i'm paul gigot, not a meeting of the minds between president obama and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal c
struggles with crisis our official representative may be a celebrity bungler. new taxes announcing, these are taxes no matter how the fiscal cliff works out. and larry ellison knows it and pays to avoid a dividend tax. gets 200 million dollars. i'm still shaking my head. ambassador anna wintour? "varney & company" is about to begin. [ male announcer ] this is steve. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the marke hgoes with people he trusts, which ishy he trades with a company that doesn't nickel and dime im with hidden fs. he caworry about other things, like what the market is doing and being ready, no matter what happens, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense, from td ameritrade. i heard you guys can sp ground for ss than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camput. you know we've be open all night. is this a trick to t my st? male announcer break frothe holiday stss. save on ground shipping at fedex office. >> ambassador anna wintour, it's got
, timothy geithner blaming republicans saying they have to raise taxes in order to avoid going over the cliff. rich edson in washington with the latest, rich? >> they are stuck on this offer, which the white house says is less of an offer and the same position the administration staked out in its jobs bill and deficit proposal over the last couple years. half trillion in tax increases or trillion and a half in tax increases, $600 billion in spending cuts, more spending, and a permanent increase in the debt ceiling. on fox news sunday, boehner called that deal a joke. >> just flabbergasted. i looked, and said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted with the nonsense. >> okay. you heard them, the first time in two decades now, acknowledge they want revenues up as the balanced plan, a good first steppedded, but they have to say what they do operates and revenues. that's hard for republicans. >> runs of billions of spending cuts, tax increases begin in less than a mo
♪ imus in the morning ♪ >> attention, stock holders, there is a tax revolt brewing and you are going to win. good morning, everyone. tens of billions of dollars in extra dividend payments have been announced and the money will be paid this year, so, you avoid the expected dividend tax increase next year, that's a tax revolt sticking it to the president and the treasury. and here is a forecast that "varney & company" got right. the obama team wants to raise tax now, promises of entitlement reform later and ignore the debt. that's the fiscal cliff deal of the day and the market likes it and the numbers are 5, 16, 22, 23, 29, and the powerball is 6. you lost. the government won. "varney & company" is about to begin. [ male announcer ] this is steve. he loves risk. but whether he's climbing everest, scuba diving the great barrier reef with sharks, or jumping into the marke he goes with people he trusts, . . >> . stuart: it's a modern day tea party. it's a revolt led by corporations. the wall street journal reports 173 companies announced they'll pay special dividends for shareh
're going to delve into any type of serious reform on the tax or entitlement side or even a framework by christmas. oh, yeah. i guess i'm the tooth fairy. >> bill, so what do you do here with no fiscal cliff deal yet, with whispers of possibly the fed stimulating the economy even further, and with economic data pouring in almost daily that suggests we're still sputtering along? >> well, i tend to think 2013s going to be a great year. i'm not just looking at housing and employment. i'm looking at the architectural building index. there's stuff in the draw room. they're ready to bid out this winter and break ground in the spring. the republicans know that. the democrats know that. i would agree with rick. right now it's hard to imagine they can come up with something. we know they can. we know the democrats can say, okay, we'll give you something on means testing entitlements and we'll move the social security age up. republicans will say, we'll get rid of second mortgage deductions. they can do it. i don't think they really want to do it yet. so we just sit here sort of up 100, down 10
me smile until the numbers come out. and then you will get taxed to kingdom come. it will not even help the deficit. warren buffett can help them out. lori rothman and melissa francis with more coming up. dagen: the market is up, that is good. good afternoon read >> pushing for middle-class tax cuts without any spending concessio concessions, president obama to meet with business leaders on the fiscal cliff after speaking just last hour. we'll ask lou dobbs that he thinks ceos will help to make deals happen. >> now washington is looking at the one sacred mortgage deduction, maybe get rid of it to help heal the budget crisis. >> charlie gasparino on the future of the firm. time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes, before the new york stock exchange, nicole petallides on the floor. a deal is possible by christmas. >> hoping to get some positive comments from john boehner. he is optimistic. a nice little boost. from negative to positive to the session highs, no 50 points away from dow 13,000 once again. the dow once again up 73 points. you have a lot of winners. the banking index is
for taxes. >> could have been for taxes, but,,and the but is very important, if there's a frame work december 31st at midnight, it will be just that. the markets will, i think, react predictly, and that's not positive. if there's a recession because there's not a tax plan, we'll be hurt. >> that's the wild card; right? how the markets reagent to it because we don't know. >> we don't. >> impossible to predict. they could sell off. going over the cliff for a week or two is not the end of the world if there's a deal done, if you request remove potential market reaction. >> employers are not hiring. story after story about small businessmen with obamacare and uncertainties, i'm not going to invest. >> will they get it done? i'm with lori, it was a lot of show and gamesmanship. >> i think there's going to be a frame work achieved, but not meaningful debt or deficit reduction, no reform to entitlements, and i don't think there's tax reform. there's a deal in form, but i think there's more to get done. >> are we done? >> ask another if you want. >> do they really have to raise taxes? people
taxes, no specific cuts according to "the new york times" and "wall street journal." actually, $50 billion more in stimulus spending and no specific spending cuts. it was a nonstarter, and they knew it was a nonstarter. richard wolffe, my question to you is, why did the white house decide to have this as their opening volley when they knew the response would be a negative one that they drew? >> well, they put on $400 billion in medicare cuts. so there were some specifics in there. but was it a hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer, right? they're trying to not just provoke a no. they want the counteroffer. and the counteroffer is, what is it? there isn't one. >> it looks like right now it will probably come back now as $800 billion in new revenue, probably higher specific cuts. >> you forget one extra demand, of course, which is ban the debt ceiling piece. that's huge, right? that's, like, unilateral disarmament. we're going to offer you to unilaterally disarm. i like that one, too. because they were sensible. let's face it, the markets
is the $1.6 trillion in tax revenue over ten years. they say that's about twice where republicans think they might be able to get a deal and for them that was not a good starting point. >> kelly, can i quickly ask you why we should not expect a counteroffer interest republicans? isn't that what this whole game is about? >> reporter: public. if i didn't say public, let me emphasize. >> you did. >> reporter: we heard about the president's offer and what republicans are also saying they are trying hard to not criticize the president publicly, focus on the specifics of the deal. there are concerns about that, not wanting to spoil the move further. at least that's their claim. so certainly they will be putting their own numbers together but don't expect a big splash of bullet points from republic wrans today or over the weekend. at least that's what we're hearing now. >> the president is going to hatfield, pennsylvania, today. a campaign-style event to sort of drum up support for what the white house wants to do on fiscal cliff. you know, the president after he won re-election essentially sa
at this point. >> but when you look at those, they all have some come by neigh of spending cuts and tax increases. the idea is that over a period of time, you basically put the country in a better path, the government in a better path to spending and taxation. what you don't want is the fiscal cliff because that was designed to be something that nobody liked. and the reason is, yes, you've reduced the deficit from about 7% of gdp down to about 4% of gdp, so you move in the right direction really dramatically, but you do it in a way that nobody was happy with exactly where those cuts come from and exactly how the taxes increase. >> with what you're seeing, and we never know, it's almost like a mating dance where you've got the male and a feel of some species -- >> it's an ugly one. >> looks like they're never going to do it. they get closer and closer. >> but there is a lot of -- they back off and they might even look like they're fighting. but do they eventually, you know, do it? >> well, i think certainly everybody hopes so. because it would be better than if they don't. >> that didn't
in the fiscal cliff debate. tax rates spike and spending slashed. congress is breaking for the holidays in two weeks. it could send the economy spinning in directions. $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he will travel to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> ouch. athena jones live from washington. same old same old. where do we go from here? >> that's the big question. the nice talk after the election is pretty much gone away. you mentioned one of the big sticking points, that's taxes. republicans and democrats can't agree on how to raise the tax revenue? end the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, close the loopholes, raise the capital gains taxes or all of the above. right now, they can't agree on how much money should be raised on the revenue side. let's listen to
that the sky is blue on the one issue when keeping tax cuts where they are for the middle class. >> right. >> why can't we get that one step accomplished and maybe move on to step two which is a bigger and bolder plan? >> that's what congressional democrats and president obama would like to see happen, and we have a discharge petition, which would bring the bill that has been sent from the senate and pass the senate overwhelmingly sent to the house, take that bill up and give, extend the tax breaks to the middle class and give certainty to the middle class as we move to, continue to move into the holiday season. all of the tax rates expire december 31st and we can deal with the tax breaks for the wealthiest most fortunate americans and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have s
compromise, you lose the core constituency that elected him. >> let's at least get the tax cuts extended for the middle class and deal with the other part later. some people may be happy to kick the can here, at least in the near term. >> i think the president is -- do you think the republicans can deliver on the republicans? i think lloyd blankfein. coming back to that quote to dave cody, terrific guy, he said listen, i find myself in the radical middle. compromise is radical right now. the stock market is saying a deal gets done by jan 1. >> yes, it is. that's what yesterday was all ball -- will lawmakers arrive at a deal to deal with the fiscal cliff? rand paul is defending the northwest pledge not to raise taxes. but the rim rally months on, this time black berberry is on rise. nobody said an inkjet had to be slow. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combina
. timothy depite gite saying we'll raise taxes 1.6 trillion and washington will increase taxes on capitol gains and we would like to say we like the power to raise the debt ceiling any time we want for the executive branch which is unconstitutional. >> steve: it is not 39 or 35 percent. all nonstarters in the world of negotiation. >> gretchen: two things to discuss. why is it tim geithner doing the discussions inted of the president of the united states. let me know if you have an answer for that. and the reason they are asking for this stuff. this is the way negotiations work when you win the presidency. you are walking around with your chest puffed up. this week, nothing will happen. until you cum come up right to the cliff. >> brian: this president is making a mockery of negotiations. he offered a initial trike with under 30 days until the cliff happens . sos the unserious attempt to get anything done. republicans ippedicated we will raise revenue. but the nuggets that are inside and his decision to go to pennsylvania and talk to a tinker toy and scrooge and coal in your pocket is an i
.6 trillion in new revenue from tax hikes on the rich. the white house is giving $400 billion in savings from medicare and entitlements. there's also a request for at least $50 billion in infrastructure spending, mortgage relief, and other stimulus measures. none of this is a surprise to the republicans. this is what president obama campaigned on. it's also what republicans have been presented behind closed doors for weeks. "politico" reported on the deal taking shape behind the scenes. it includes most of the same details the white house has in its proposal. according to "politico" house republican leaders recognize president obama holds the high cards and the public is likely to blame republicans if negotiations blow up and the new year begins with a fiscal disaster. the facts didn't stop speaker boehner from claiming the white house is holding up negotiations. >> majority leader and i just had a meeting with the treasury secretary. it was frank, and it was direct. i was hopeful we'd see a specific plan for cutting spending. >> the treasury secretary's proposal seems pretty specific. it eve
to entitlement spending, and no new taxes on the wealthy. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. auto sales speed up in november, with buyers taking advantage of ultra-cheap financing to ditch their old cars. >> susie: ford takes the wraps off a new lincoln, taking the brand back to its heritage, but will a re-branding help rev-up sales, we ask ford c.e.o. alan mulally. >> tom: that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! after a weekend of trading accusations over the lack of progress on avoiding the fiscal cliff, both sides now have put their opening offers on the table. last week, it was treasury secretary timothy geithner meeting with top republicans. this afternoon, house speaker john boehner sketched out the g.o.p. proposal in a letter to the white house, and the proposal borrows suggestions from the president's own debt reduction commission, whose plan was ignored last year. the republican letter offered $900 billion in spending cuts from program reforms to medicare and social security. the g.o.p. plan would raise $800 billion in revenues by closing loop-holes and reforming the tax code, but stops short of specifi
politico. the major sticking points remain the same, congressional democrats want to raise taxes on the highest income earners while keeping the current lower tax rates in place for the middle class. republicans want to extend tax breaks at all levels. good morning and welcome to "washington journal." we are going to be talking about the fiscal cliff, the statements the house speaker made about being a stalemate and what the president said during his trip to a toy factory in pennsylvania. here are the numbers. you can also reach out to us by e-mail and twitter and facebook, all of the social media as. on twitter the addresses @cspanwj, facebook.com/cspan. more from the article by jake sherman with the headline " fiscal cliff." he writes -- let's go to the phones. the first call comes from debbie in flint, mich. on the line for democrats. caller: i think they need to pass a law that these guys did not get paid. if i go to work and did not do my job, they will not pay me. they have not done their jobs in the years. they need to listen to the american people. we picked barack obama
would raise $800 billion in revenues by closing loop-holes and reforming the tax code, but stops short of specifics. noticeably missing: the higher taxes on high-wage earners which president obama has insisted on. the white house responded, saying "the g.o.p. proposal does not meet the test of balance. in fact, it actually promises to lower rates for the wealthy and sticks the middle class with the bill." it's not just the federal government under pressure. credit ratings agency fitch calls the fiscal cliff the biggest concern for state credit in 2013. saying, "any meaningful federal deficit reduction is likely to lower state funding, forcing program elimination or backfilling." as the tax hikes and spending cuts approach, u.s. manufacturers saw business shrink last month. the institute of supply management's purchasing managers index fell unexpectedly to 49.5, down from 51.7 in october. a reading below 50 means business has fallen back into contraction. the november statistic is the lowest since july 2009. the dow fell 60, the nasdaq down eight, the s&p 500 lost six. >> susie: jeff sa
, that what moved up nicely is going to be the piggy bank that gets cracked first before the tax man comes based on the unknowns of the fiscal cliff. >> would you buy gold here, michael? >> no, no. i'm going wait for it to wash out a little more. then i'm going add to my positions. i have a -- >> you don't weigh gold outright. >> you have to own some gold. qe-4 is coming. no doubt about it. they're already doing $40 billion per month. it's going to be $85 billion of unsterilized counterfeiting per month starting january 1. how do you abandon gold in that premise? >> that's exactly right. we're playing it a little bit differently. we like some of the gold-related companies. >> the miners have gotten beaten up. they got beat up much worse than the actual metals. >> there's cost and exploration you have to factor in. >> are those your best ideas? >> no, actually. i think you can still -- i'm half if cash. i think you can look for areas to enter in o short position on lockheed martin. >> defense stocks because of the fiscal cliff. >> yes, but once that gets solved, i think you have a huge rall
republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck speaking to many more ceos than grover norquist is. he thinks it's silly. he thinks ceos are silly. i
the american people said? 60% said income tax rates should be raised. >> right. >> 55% said the economic system favors the wealthy. 65% legal status for illegal immigrant. 59% said abortion should be legal. and they are still saying that their ideas carried the day? >> stewart stevens has written a lot of good fiction and another life he writes books and they are kind of good. but if you just slice off a piece of the electorate that we won, then we won those ideas, that doesn't make any sense and it's not actually -- look, we can take a step back and say, what is right for the country? but republicans first have to say what is right for republicans? if republicans want to win these kinds of elections, they have to appeal to more people, not what stewart stevens said, which is somehow the liberal coalition turned into a strength. as if they are still playing the argument that this guy is a fluke. the president is a remarkable coincidence of fate. the republican party will never find the majority of the republican party again. >> karen, not a fluke. let me tell you, president obama won bigger tha
laughing in the face of the white house plan, saying it's big on taxes, big on cuts. is there any hope now of a deal before these taxes shoot up? >> also this morning, dancing in the west bank? condemnation from israel and the u.s., as the u.n. general assembly now votes to recognize a palestinian state. is this the right tack for peace? >> fortune and glory. one of the winners of the record powerball jackpot is out. and the other may not be a mystery any more. >> hmm. plus battered but not broken. an exclusive look here at lady liberty after superstorm sandy. >> we have a packed show ahead. steny hoyer, harvard economics pro-presser ken rogoff. russell simmons, former presidential candidate jon huntsman and good samaritan larry deprimo. >> gave the boots to the homeless man. we're going to get the whole back story there. it is friday, november 30th. tgif. to you and you as well. "starting point" begins right now. >>> your elected officials trading insults, playing the blame game here as the clock is winding down on the fiscal cliff. keep in mind time is a-wasting. in 32 days now
right i'll resubmit it for you. $1.6 trillion in tax increases over ten years. $50 billion in immediate stimulus spending. he was rubbing their nose in it, yeah i want more stimulus. how do you like me now. no congressional votes to raise for debt ceiling and $400 billion in long-term savings from medicare. republicans, conservatives oh, they're we side be side themselves. >> the proposal delivered by secretary geithner was not a serious proposal. >> it was not a serious proposal. >> we got to get serious here. >> serious decisions. >> say it isn't so, mr. speaker. >> serious matter. we're being serious. this is not a serious offer. >> this is an insulting deal. >> this is not a game. >> i'm not trying to make this difficult. >> that offer yesterday was simply not serious. we're not going to increase tax rates. >> and that's just the way it is. >> cenk: i love that. >> seriously. >> cenk: yes seriously--everybody get serious. our position is not changing at all. i can't believe that other guy who won't change his position. >> and also we don't remember that we just lost an election. it'
for a package that includes tax rate increases for the wealthy. not to be outdone speaker boehner announced that house republicans would be making similar appearances across the country, going to small businesses to speak about the "threat to jobs posed by congressional democrats" small business tax hike. while members of congress plan to take their case to the american people, the afl-cio is planning to take the american people to members of congress sending 33 local union leaders to capitol hill to push members of congress to let the bush tax cuts expire and leave social security untouched. one positive to emerge from negotiations so far has been that for the first time in recent memory, republicans have expressed an openness to increased revenues which means the choke hold grover norquist and his tax pledge held on republicans may be loosening. frank bruni thinks republicans devolved into dummies and nor west was their ventriloquist. not everyone saw norquist as the cause of the problem. defending him truth is that
and pass what the president has proposed, basically extend the tax cuts for the middle class up to $250,000. then deal with that other piece. speaker boehner came out and sort of chastised him. but tom cole went on to continue to go on about 18 different shows and reiterated the same position he was actually on with our chuck todd this morning. let's take a listen. >> that advice was given in private. but you guys have a way of figuring out what is said in private. somebody leaked it out. that's fine. because i'm not going to -- >> you didn't intend for this to go public? >> no, no. i absolutely didn't. >> okay. >> again, it is what i said. it's not an inaccurate report. and, again, i don't think it changes where we're going. our chief negotiator is the speaker. he can deliver the republican votes for a deal that he thinks is the right one. i always support him in that. i'm sure i would again. >> nick, like i said, he's saying this leaked out, he didn't send it to go public but he felt perfectly comfortable going on, like, every show possible yesterday and not backing off of it. do you
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